53. Why You MUST Care About Your Hormones and What You Need to Know for Your Fertility with Dr. Patrick Flynn

Feb 28, 2022

Hormones are very central to our lives than most of us realize. They are what differentiate a man from a woman and why we do the things we do. We often have them tested at certain points in our lives through lab work, but did you know that many times, we aren't considering all the hormones? Not every hormone is always tested on routine lab work and when it comes to really understanding our health, it's like trying to complete a puzzle with only half the pieces! This can play a HUGE role in understanding our fertility and even our health overall.

On this week's podcast, I'm joined by Dr. Patrick Flynn who is the founder of The Wellness Way. His clinics are located around the world and here to help find the the other half of the pieces to your health puzzle. His mission is to create a totally different approach to healthcare, with a heavy focus on hormones and the immune system. 

Listen in as Dr. Flynn explains how doctors either treat fires or rebuild houses, how estrogen is not a hormone, how understanding your hormones can help you understand your marriage, and so much more. I'm positive you will learn something you never knew after listening to our conversation.


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What You'll Learn on This Episode:

  • How to approach your infertility in a way that's more empowering
  • How your doctors have the best intentions but may not have the full picture on your hormones
  • Education on types of hormones in both men and women, and how they play a role in our lives every single day
  • How estrogen is not a hormone, but rather describes many hormones and how this knowledge is so important for your fertility
  • The idea that some doctors are trained to put out "fires" while other doctors are trained to "build houses"
  • The steps you can take to "rebuild" your house and find the missing pieces to your health 


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[00:00:00] Jenica Parcell: Hi friends. Welcome to Fearless Infertility, a podcast for women struggling with the mental anguish that comes with infertility. My name is Jenica and after suffering in silence for too long, I was able to pull myself out of the dark, take control over my mind and create joy during my infertility experience, I'm here to help you do the same sister. Let's dive into today's show. Hello, my friends. And welcome back to Fearless Infertility episode 53, What You Must Know About Your Hormones that You Probably Don't Already for Your Best Fertility with Dr. Patrick Flynn. At the end of today's podcast episode, you will know information about your hormones that you need to know so you're not sick for the rest of your life. What I learned about my hormones in relation to infertility is shocking. Very powerful and empowering for me in my life. I'm excited for you to learn with us today. Let's get to it.

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[00:02:38] Jenica Parcell: Hey ladies. Welcome back Fearless Infertility. I'm so excited to be with you here today. I am actually recording this podcast intro in Sacramento, California. And I am out here for a business mastermind to learn how to better serve those women in the infertility community. And it's my favorite thing to do. So I'm so excited to be here. And I wanted to share with you, so on Instagram, if you're following along on Instagram, it's @jenicaparcell. If you are not yet, I'd love to see you there, get to know you. I kind of share snippets of my everyday life that I think will be beneficial to you in yours. I share products that I love, and last night, I basically did like an unboxing of my suitcase. And the things that I brought and I was just cracking myself up because you guys know this, right. If you guys listened to the podcast episode, that's, we're all high maintenance and why that's a good thing, then you'll know that, you know, it really, isn't a bad thing. We have needs and if we don't properly take care of those needs, then we just don't function at our highest and best selves. And I think being aware of that is really important. So for me, when I'm traveling, that means packing a lot of stuff. I've got my supplements. I've got my vitamins. I've got all sorts of things that are labeled. You know, I get my little bags with my Sharpies and label. Okay, these are my B vitamins. This is my multivitamin. This is, you know, and this time I had to bring my infertility medication because at the recording of this podcast, I, well, I guess this will be released on February 28th. I'll know that day, whether our frozen embryo transfer worked. And so I packed all the things. I packed my printable form from the Utah Fertility Center saying that I could travel with needles. And I have noticed that if I stick to my routine as best as possible when I'm on vacation and not at home, then I feel my very best.

[00:04:35] Jenica Parcell: So, I did a little unboxing last night I'll share with you. Some of the things that I always pack with me are my vitamin supplements, those same things that I take regularly. This time I also decided to pack a bunch of clementines, like those little oranges. And I also packed this little container with a bag of ice that had some chopped organic carrots. I brought my hummus and my gluten free seed crackers to dip in there. I brought these really yummy beef sticks that you can get at Costco that are grass fed beef that are great snacks. And so I'm all prepared. And I've got all my stuff. So, it's okay to be a high maintenance my friends. If you are traveling and you have all your stuff with you because you want to feel good, why is that a problem? I do not see it. You're in, you're, you're at home with me here today.

[00:05:22] Jenica Parcell: I am so excited to get to today's podcast interview with Dr. Flynn. First, before we do, as always I love to share podcast reviews. And I will tell you why, because when you guys leave reviews, you ladies leave reviews on the Apple Podcast platform, it helps women who have absolutely no idea who I am, who feel very alone, that they can discover us, right? They can discover Fearless Infertility. They know they have a place and they know they can get access to tools, whereas before, I mean, I think we can all relate to this. Most of us didn't plan on having infertility, right? It's not something in our lives that we're like, okay, we're going to go to middle school and then we're going to go to high school and then we're going to graduate and we're going to go to college. And then we're probably going to get married and we're going to have a great career. You know, not necessarily in that order, and then, and then next it's infertility, right? So I think we can all relate to the fact of feeling alone and kind of having whiplash a little bit and feeling like you don't know where to turn to for resources. So you leaving a review helps these women discover us more easily.

[00:06:26] Jenica Parcell: So I'd really, really appreciate if you guys do that. If you would take a moment to do that, it would mean a lot to me. And so what you can do is just get onto the podcast app and do it there. Pretty simple. If you guys have any questions all about it, I'll show you on Instagram.

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[00:07:56] Jenica Parcell: I also wanted to share with you that I have opened up my new Facebook group. I'm so excited about it. It's called the Fearless Infertility Movement. I would love for you to join me there. It is a safe space to connect with other women in your infertility experience and a place to start showing up for yourself in a way that allows you to see how powerful you are. I make sure you are up to date on the free tools I provide like updates to the podcast and we do really cool things each week, like challenges and our prayer circle is in there as well, where we can ask other members of that safe, private community to pray for us in specific circumstances we're going through that week. I will share with you additional tools and information about my program when doors are open. So you can better navigate this really challenging experience from a place of power. Helping you move from overwhelmed to surety. It's a really uplifting space where you can feel less alone in your infertility experience, so please join me there. It's the Fearless Infertility Movement on Facebook, and I'm excited to get to know you better. So please join me there.

[00:09:05] Jenica Parcell: Today's podcast episode is, honestly you guys, it just is another testament to me that God is very involved in this work in helping you with infertility, in helping get the tools and the information that will be helpful for you in your experience. Dr. Patrick Flynn's assistant reached out to my assistant several months ago. And I was in transitioning from one assistant to another. And it was just a really kind of crazy hectic time, and we just basically said, we'll email you back in a couple months and we did. And I didn't know who he was. He didn't know who I was, but his assistant thought it'd be a really good fit. And it turns out it is the best fit ever. I am so excited to share with you the really, really valuable information he has for us. Stuff that I didn't know, that all of us should be learning when we're young.

[00:10:01] Jenica Parcell: And so to give you a little background on him, he is a chiropractor and the founder of The Wellness Way who has clinics all over the world, helping people with their hormones. He has over a hundred clinics. And as a young child, he was labeled trouble because he had a difficult time learning, focusing, and existing within the school systems. Years later as a teenager, he went through a series of events that led him to discover he had immune issues, which contributed to his neurological setbacks. This discovery inspired Dr. Flynn to begin his journey defining his purpose and initiating his pursuit of education. And in the podcast interview, he also gives you more of a story on when he met his wife and his early twenties, and she had really, really severe issues when she had her period every month and so bad that some doctors recommended that she just remove her uterus. And it was a really, I mean, can you imagine, right? She hadn't had kids yet. She wasn't married yet. And when they met, they knew that pretty early on that they were supposed to be together and that they wanted to end up together. He had mentioned that he wanted a big family and it was tearing her apart because she had been told that she would probably never be able to have kids. And he looked at her labs and said, I don't believe that this is right. I don't think that your diagnosis needs to be this way. And they weren't testing the right hormones and this podcast episode is all about that. It was completely eyeopening for me. I'm so excited to get to share it with you because I think it will really help you be able to approach your infertility in a way that's more empowering because you're going to get the full picture versus being confused about what the issue is, right? A lot of us have had unexplained, infertility. We don't know what the issue is and it's because a lot of these doctors have incredible intentions. They want to help us but they don't have the full picture when they are examining our hormones. So they're diagnosing and treating issues that. That are basically just guesses because they really don't have the full information about our hormones. So I'm excited to go into today's podcast episode. I think you're going to love it.

[00:12:05] Jenica Parcell: Please leave me a review and help share this message with other women experiencing infertility. I would also really love for you to tag me on Instagram when you share which podcast episodes you love so I can repost and get to know you guys better. Let's get into today's podcast episode with Dr. Flynn.

[00:12:23] Jenica Parcell: Alright my friends. Welcome back to Fearless Infertility. I'm so excited to introduce to you today's guest, Dr. Patrick Flynn. And first of all, I have to tell you that God is amazing. He knows all things, and it's so cool how I met Dr. Flynn. I think his assistant reached out to my assistant and neither of us knew who the other person was and the fit in who we serve in helping women with infertility, as soon as we got on our call, my jaw has dropped. So I'm so excited to have him here today. Dr. Flynn, thank you so much for being here.

[00:12:54] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Ah, it's an honor to be with you today. I'm so excited for today's podcast.

[00:12:58] Jenica Parcell: Good. Okay. So for those who have not heard of you and your amazing work, will you give us an introduction as to what you do? [

00:13:05] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Yeah, I think I'll start by telling a story because I think it sets it up even to understand what I do for a living, you know, my background, everything.

[00:13:13] Jenica Parcell: Okay great.

[00:13:13] Dr. Patrick Flynn: So I actually live in Green Bay, Wisconsin. I'm a Wisconsin boy by nature. I lived here my whole life with the exception of my graduate schools. I was a sick kid. I was diagnosed as a juvenile delinquent back in third grade. My mom tells the story, I think the best because, I got kicked out of school because, you know, I beat up some kid because I was actually psychologically off. And I won't disagree with that. Um, and what ended up happening was, as of today, people would have diagnosed me as more like an Asperger's or some form of autism, because I always felt like my skin was crawling. And the reason why I ended up beating up a kid that got me kicked out of school and got me, you know, basically labeled was because I was very irritated because my skin always felt like was crawling, my mind was going a hundred miles an hour, and I snapped. I still remember it, like it was yesterday because I felt a rage of anger.

[00:13:57] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:13:57] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And long story short, that being said if it would have been today, they would have probably medicated the heck out of me. What ended up happening is I was always an F and D student. I was sick like crazy. And then as a teenager, I actually realized I had some other health episodes to do with allergies. And, that started my venture of actually looking into health. And because I was a failed medical, actually, I think everybody's kind of an experiment because it's try therapy with drugs and surgery-

[00:14:22] Jenica Parcell: Right.

[00:14:22] Dr. Patrick Flynn: I was like, guess what happened? I, I, it doesn't mean the doctors weren't trying to help. They really were-

[00:14:26] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:14:27] Dr. Patrick Flynn: But their method just led me to actually more illness or trying to manage allergies and stuff, and then I started to realize that guess what? That foods could have an effect on that. And I started to, and that's what stemmed my initial love for the immune system, initial loves for food, and obviously that's the direction I went for school.

[00:14:44] Jenica Parcell: Okay.

[00:14:44] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And, I was like, but wait, I don't want to go the medical route because you know why? Because they failed me.

[00:14:49] Jenica Parcell: Yeah. [00:14:49] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Okay? And most people find doctors like me because of a failed process.

[00:14:53] Jenica Parcell: Yeah, it's true.

[00:14:54] Dr. Patrick Flynn: So I ended up, I ended up, I ended up going, started my venture on nutrition and I started to see now my brain changed, but my skin changed. I didn't feel like it was crawling anymore. My grades got better and it was because I moved more to the natural. So then I said, okay, listen, well, I don't think you can do much with a nutrition degree. I don't think you do too much with an endocrinology degree. So besides my undergraduate degrees, I started to actually go into a, more of a natural field of chiropractic. And the reason why I liked that field was because it was all based on trying to make the body normal. And it's interesting because that's not what chiropractors are known for. You know, medicine has kind of adapted and made it kind of a pain profession, but it's not actually what it is. So I've taken all my degrees and I had a different perspective when it did come to health. And I actually got great clinical sex ed myself through my college years, to the point where, you know, obviously we'll get into I'm doing now.

[00:15:42] Dr. Patrick Flynn: But then before I graduated, I was just in my last part of graduate school, and I ran into this beautiful woman. And very shortly after meeting her within two days, no joke, the second day, she looked at me, she goes, you know something, I think I'm gonna marry you.

[00:15:54] Jenica Parcell: Oh I love that.

[00:15:55] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And I looked back at her and said, I said, I actually think you're right.

[00:15:58] Jenica Parcell: Ha ha, that's cute.

[00:16:00] Dr. Patrick Flynn: We started hanging out, and after two weeks of dating, I came over to her apartment because I still wasn't a doc yet I was finishing up my internship, and I came up to her door and I knocked on it and she opened up door and she was crying. And guys, if that happens to you, my thought process, is like, oh, damn, what did I do? Okay?

[00:16:17] Jenica Parcell: Oh no.

[00:16:18] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And she says, come in. She says, come in and sit down. So I, I, no joke. I'm telling ya, that walk from her door to her kitchen table felt like it took forever. I still remember that like it was yesterday.

[00:16:29] Jenica Parcell: It aged you 10 years on the spot.

[00:16:31] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Oh my goodness. Because knowing her for two weeks and we were just learning about each other. I'm like, oh my goodness. Well, I found out that day why she was actually really crying. That morning, she got her period and she decided to tell me what's been going on and knowing her in two weeks, and actually going to be a doc, I couldn't tell that she was sick. She had endometriosis so badly that they almost wanted to rip her uterus out at 19 years old.

[00:16:54] Jenica Parcell: Wow.

[00:16:55] Dr. Patrick Flynn: She has ulcerative colitis, she has cystic acne, which you couldn't see because it was on her back and shoulders, and then she had cluster headaches. Uh, she got her period that morning and I want you to imagine ladies, and I know some of you guys experience this, she felt like her uterine lining was being ripped off, like the skin being ripped off the front of your arm. Okay.

[00:17:12] Jenica Parcell: It's horrible.

[00:17:13] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And before I got there, within an hour, she was puking, she was actually laying on the floor, curled up in a ball.

[00:17:19] Jenica Parcell: Yeah. Wow.

[00:17:21] Dr. Patrick Flynn: But then I found out, here's the interesting part of this, that's not why she was crying.

[00:17:24] Jenica Parcell: Hmm. [00:17:25] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Okay. She said, listen, she goes, that being all said, and I'm paraphrasing this, but that being all said, cause this was probably a 2 hour discussion-

[00:17:33] Jenica Parcell: Okay.

[00:17:34] Dr. Patrick Flynn: She said, the reason why I'm crying is because getting to know you for two weeks, you know, there's some things you said that I want to address. And I'm like, oh my goodness, what did I say? And I came from a big family and I wanted a big family.

[00:17:45] Jenica Parcell: Mmmhmm.

[00:17:46] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And she was told that she could never have children. And I had to make a choice. I had to make a choice going, okay, listen, you know, do I stay with her or do I go? And she was giving me, she, the reason why she was crying, she was giving me an out.

[00:18:00] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:18:01] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And she didn't want to give me an out.

[00:18:02] Jenica Parcell: Right, that's heartbreaking.

[00:18:03] Dr. Patrick Flynn: But she was giving me an opportunity. Exactly. And so that's why when people talk, and I've built my whole career on fertility. That's why, when people say, doc, I say I've been there. I said, and people know my story, obviously now I have a beautiful wife of 20 years and four daughters. Because I chose to say, listen, I looked at her and then no joke, from what I knew from my background and what the medical people were telling her, I said something that I didn't realize this would become an international best-selling book is, I said, I disagree with them. What they're telling you doesn't make any clinical sense. So what I ended up doing was this, I said, you know, something, tell me a little bit what what's going on. And so she started telling me that her mother had major problems, they blamed it on genetic stuff that way. And, uh, so she had sister four years older, brother, four years younger. And her mom had a ton of miscarriages in between there, so her mental problems came from all stuff with that. And if you know anything about physiology biochemistry, you don't get your problems from your mom. It's a bunch of BS. Even the breast cancer thing, all the crap.

[00:18:58] Jenica Parcell: Oh, wow. Good to know.

[00:19:02] Dr. Patrick Flynn: But anyways, get this. So all of a sudden, I'm like, okay, I'm like, and I've always been because my own history of having allergies, I'm like, well, let me see your labs. And then I started to realize, that not only that, what we're going to talk about over the next hour, was the fact that not only do the doctors still to this day, their methods of evaluation women on fertility and moving forward with them is dramatically incomplete. They still to this day mislead women like crazy.

[00:19:31] Jenica Parcell: Yeah, wow.

[00:19:32] Dr. Patrick Flynn: By recognizing the things that now I speak all over the world on, and I'm not just a speaker. I also actually have clinics all over the world because I started to go, hey listen, because when I started to find things back, when I, now remember I'm 24 at this age, she's 23. And I said, if I can bring this message to people, not only can I get a great change in women's thinking, I could also actually affect millions of lives. We actually have. We've affected millions of people. And I personally have had an experience of over 2000 pregnancies myself.

[00:20:01] Jenica Parcell: Wow. That's incredible. When you also got the girl too! The girl that you loved, you didn't have to make the choice between love and having a family. You got both.

[00:20:08] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Yeah. And you'd be surprised how often that has happened and

[00:20:11] Jenica Parcell: Yeah that's a hard choice.

[00:20:12] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And now 23 years of doing all this stuff, and actually trained thousands of doctors and have a ton of them all over the world, it's kind of fun because now it's like, I get to see the fruits of the labor. When I was told back at 24, what I was going to do is impossible. So.

[00:20:23] Jenica Parcell: That's amazing. Oh my gosh, what a cool story. Oh my goodness.

[00:20:27] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And I think that even today, and I think we're going to get into it today is so what did I do?

[00:20:33] Jenica Parcell: Yeah, what did you do? I would love to hear. What was next?

[00:20:37] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Exactly. So when I, when I start, when I got a hold of her labs, what I did was this. As I started looking at her stuff that the doctor is doing, now let me say this. Every doctor that she saw was a very caring, wonderful individual. From an OB, to the general practitioners, actually, to the chiropractor, to the natural people she was taking seven supplements and six medications and all the things that they all actually had a fantastic heart trying to help her. But people sometimes confuse the kindness with actually getting results, because we will say, I like my doctor. Well guess what? You're still infertile. You can like your doctor all you want. Okay.

[00:21:15] Jenica Parcell: Good point. You can be friends with your doctor, but you're still infertile.

[00:21:18] Dr. Patrick Flynn: That's my point. And so I said, so let me see your labs. And then I'm going to tell you something that is going to actually blow your mind away because, and I guarantee all listeners, and I did this to you before.

[00:21:29] Jenica Parcell: Yeah it did blow my mind. I can't wait for everyone else to hear.

[00:21:32] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And because here's what happens. I looked at her labs, and I'm like, hey guess what? And I'm going to stem from this to what standpoint, cause I guarantee your podcast probably is mainly women, okay?

[00:21:40] Jenica Parcell: Yes.

[00:21:41] Dr. Patrick Flynn: So ladies, I got a simple question for you and obviously I know you're going to answer it cause I did this with you before. If we look at the male themselves, okay? We all have the same hormones. We're going to get that. But there are hormones that are dominant in both men and women. Now, ladies, what is that dominant hormone in men that actually controls us both physically, mentally, what is it?

[00:21:58] Jenica Parcell: Testosterone.

[00:21:59] Dr. Patrick Flynn: We all know that. Very easily measurable lab. You get free testosterone, total testosterone. Now we have all the hormones that you have. It's just that we're dominant in testosterone. Okay? Now let's flip it around to women. Okay? What is that major hormone that women are so dominant in?

[00:22:14] Jenica Parcell: Well, what I answered before was progesterone and estrogen.

[00:22:17] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Right. And it's actually not progesterone it's actually estrogen.

[00:22:20] Jenica Parcell: Oh, okay, okay.

[00:22:21] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Progesterone is there to actually counteract some of the effects and progesterone has the maintenance more aspect-

[00:22:25] Jenica Parcell: Okay.

[00:22:25] Dr. Patrick Flynn: But it doesn't make a woman, a woman.

[00:22:27] Jenica Parcell: Okay

[00:22:27] Dr. Patrick Flynn: So you could have high progesterone and you won't develop sexually, okay?

[00:22:29] Jenica Parcell: Oh, okay.

[00:22:30] Dr. Patrick Flynn: You need estrogens, okay? And this is why I sit here and go, okay ladies, here's where you've been misled. Estrogen is not a hormone. And every person gives me that deer in headlights look because yes-

[00:22:40] Jenica Parcell: Right.

[00:22:40] Dr. Patrick Flynn: No, no, no. Grab your phone right now. Jump on duck, duck, go and try to find me the hormone estrogen. And no woman has ever done it history, because it doesn't exist.

[00:22:49] Jenica Parcell: Hm, yeah, wow.

[00:22:50] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Now let me explain, okay?

[00:22:52] Jenica Parcell: Please do! Our minds are boggled right now.

[00:22:55] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Yes, because here's what happens because just by that understanding when I was 24 years old and started telling people, because if I can get you to change this one thinking, moving forward your actions and your look at the female body, both physically and psychologically will be dramatically different, okay? So all of a sudden they say well doc, okay, you kind of stumped me because my doctors talk about estrogen. You're right. But what happens to this? That's clinically incomplete. And I say, what do you mean? Estrogen is not a hormone. Estrogen is a term that describes many hormones. Okay? Now I know women say yes, doctors, E1, E2, E3. Uh huh. And you're still incomplete. Now what I mean by that is this. That if I were to lay out a test for you to measure all of your estrogens, we'd have to measure 10 of them. So I ask every woman in 23 years that I've come across, if they, if they just even have PMs, infertility, PCOS, give me any hormones, breast cancer, give me any hormonal condition, I'll say, let me see all your estrogens. And just like my wife, because she was in the cyclic years, they measured estrodiol. Now I've got a question for you. If we know that testosterone and free testosterone is the major dominant hormone for a man that can dictate their fertility, erections, a heart, everything that way, we have them in lab, we can see a great physical and psychological evaluation of a man. How can we evaluate a woman physically and psychologically, fertility wise, PCOS, any condition that's estrogen-based or even female based whatsoever with only having an incomplete view of their hormones?

[00:24:24] Jenica Parcell: Yeah, you can't, it doesn't give you the full picture, so you don't know what's going on.

[00:24:28] Dr. Patrick Flynn: So then everything you do is try, judgment, and actually a guess. Sorry. So I've never in 23 years, I've never seen a good OB, a good gynecologist, a good practitioner, actually, even in the natural world ever measured them properly.

[00:24:44] Jenica Parcell: So typically do they measure just estrodial, which is one of the estrogens?

[00:24:48] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Unless you are menopausal, then they'll move more towards esterone.

[00:24:51] Jenica Parcell: Okay, yeah, because when you and I spoke last time, I said estrogen, which is singular, but you-

[00:24:57] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Yes it's not singular.

[00:24:58] Jenica Parcell: It's estrogens because there's multiple hormones that make up, okay, wow.

[00:25:02] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Well, that's what I said. Actually the term estrogen isn't even true.

[00:25:05] Jenica Parcell: Yeah, it's not even a thing.

[00:25:06] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Because there is no, there is no one estrogen, they're estrogens. So that's why I said that term estrogen doesn't even exist.

[00:25:11] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:25:12] Dr. Patrick Flynn: So, I can guarantee a lot of women are going right now going, holy crap, I'm 40 years old. I never knew that.

[00:25:16] Jenica Parcell: Yeah I didn't know that.

[00:25:17] Dr. Patrick Flynn: So how can we, then how can we judge a woman's health on the most dominant hormone if you're not having a picture of it? So I said, so I'm 24 years old, said, alright my beautiful bride, who was just my girlfriend at time, I said, let's measure them. So I started calling all the major lab companies because I was taught hormones in school. And no joke, called the largest lab in the world, who is still the largest lab today and called and said Hey, can I measure all them? Like sure. But why would you when insurance doesn't pay for it? I'm like, I have a sick, suffering, crying on the floor, woman every time she gets her period. Do you really think I care if insurance covers it and do you really think I care what medical doctors can do with it or not?

[00:25:55] Jenica Parcell: Yeah. And also shocking that they didn't because-

[00:25:58] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Yes.

[00:25:58] Jenica Parcell: Everything was so well or unknown that that's just shocking to me.

[00:26:03] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Now here's even a more shocking thing, which is going to blow your mind away. Okay? Cause I know your history. Okay? So now, so I started to realize, I started to look at how hormones were produced in the body, which we learned in school, but most women don't even know how hormones are produced. So what happens is, so they'll say it's pushed out of the ovaries, I'll say how? And they can't tell you, but even most nurses and doctors can't tell you how they're made, so once again, it's a bunch of judgments. So all of a sudden I said, listen, in order to actually measure them, you have to do two different tests at once. See, cause you can measure certain ones in the blood and you can only measure certain ones in urine. So therefore if you just do blood or just do urine and don't do them together, the picture of your hormones is incomplete.

[00:26:46] Jenica Parcell: Wow. That's really good to know.

[00:26:48] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And so therefore, and I've heard doctors say this, I'm sorry, cause I will be critical. Well, I only need this one. Really? That's like trying to put a puzzle together with only certain pieces. I can't do that to a woman. I can't make a judgment as a doctor with an incomplete view of what their body is supposed to be doing, especially these estrogens create the endometrial lining, maintain the breast tissue, can lead to cancers, can actually lead to psychological issues, can lead to every horrible condition there is, because estrogen dominance is a very common thing or estrogen deficiency is a very common thing. And now worst part is we're going to do hormone therapy or manipulation of certain things or injections based on an incomplete view, which can lead to some health problems and other things? [

00:27:29] Jenica Parcell: That's scary.

[00:27:31] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Sorry I can't do that.

[00:27:33] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:27:33] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And so I started saying, I'm just going to start testing all women. And so I started testing them and realizing not only for example, measuring hormones, that they never even knew existed, but then seeing what was throwing them off and then starting to restore them back to normal. And of course, you know, obviously that's how I got great clinical success from everything from a woman that could have suffered from endometriosis because actually, you know what happens, my wife's cycle at the time at age 23, her estrodial on her lab was normal.

[00:28:01] Jenica Parcell: Oh, wow.

[00:28:01] Dr. Patrick Flynn: But her 4-hydroxyestrone was actually elevated, which can lead to breast cancer in other forms because you know what happens when women have demonized estrogens, because they actually have some of them get out of control, they can cause breast cancer, but if you don't realize that there's some estrogens are protective, so then when they demonize all of them, they just lower them and they destroy a woman's both physical and mental aspect and that's normal healthcare.

[00:28:20] Jenica Parcell: Ugh scary! Yeah, that's really scary. Wow. It's so eyeopening hearing this.

[00:28:26] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Well and remember in everything that's taught to you is just biochemistry out of a book. See, because we're so, now you say doc, okay, but you're, you're not an OB, you're this, okay. Let's do this though. And people say it then what qualifies you to be the best at this? Because I am, I mean that sincerely. But let me explain why. Let me explain why, because they say well doc, that's a pretty arrogant statement. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I will always prove everything to you, okay? Sorry, my daughter made me a bracelet, so-

[00:28:49] Jenica Parcell: I love it. It's cute.

[00:28:51] Dr. Patrick Flynn: My eight year old.

[00:28:52] Jenica Parcell: Awh that's sweet.

[00:28:52] Dr. Patrick Flynn: I want you to think about this, okay? So I named some conditions. And so I want to give you a thinking of healthcare that if you get this ladies, you understand the role of every doctor, including me, okay? So let's do this. So we're going to dialogue back and forth for just two minutes, for my example, because if you understand this example, you will understand everything I'm talking about. So let's do this. So I want you to picture that you and your husband are out running around and stuff, cause I was watching Instagram. You guys run around. It's kind of cool.

[00:29:19] Jenica Parcell: Yeah, thanks.

[00:29:20] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And then all of a sudden, guess what? That you come back home and your house is on fire. Now, you know that this is a bad situation. Who is the best professional to handle the situation?

[00:29:30] Jenica Parcell: The fire department.

[00:29:31] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Well, why don't you call your dentist?

[00:29:33] Jenica Parcell: Because the dentist doesn't know how to put out a fire. He doesn't have experience in it.

[00:29:37] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Yeah, but he's a professional, he's even a doctor.

[00:29:41] Jenica Parcell: But he doesn't have experience in this particular field of eliminating the fire.

[00:29:46] Dr. Patrick Flynn: So you would actually even argue with me that if I told you to use a dentist, you would actually, maybe even call me an idiot.

[00:29:52] Jenica Parcell: Yeah. I'd be like, you don't know what you're talking, yeah.

[00:29:54] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Yeah, exactly. Now hold on there, we're going to get there. Okay? So here we go. So therefore here's what happens, is this. So let's picture the fire department because they are the best professionals. No doubt. Now I want you to picture this. Let's look at what they do. Time is of the essence, because if they wait, your house is done. And they're going to get there in the fire truck and if you think about it this way, the fire department only really has two tools to actually help put out the fire. Number one, the guy's going to have an ax, but what is he going to do to your door when he runs up to it?

[00:30:17] Jenica Parcell: Kick It down, ax it down.

[00:30:18] Dr. Patrick Flynn: What about the window? Yup, what about the window?

[00:30:20] Jenica Parcell: Uh, break it in.

[00:30:21] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Yeah that's right. So now the guy with the hose, the other tool, is going to run inside and they're going to spray the entire house. Now, picture your beautiful kids, okay? Let me ask you a question. When the fire department sprays water on your pictures of your kids, what does it do to it?

[00:30:34] Jenica Parcell: It destroys it.

[00:30:35] Dr. Patrick Flynn: What about your wall?

[00:30:37] Jenica Parcell: Uh, destroys it as well.

[00:30:38] Dr. Patrick Flynn: What about your carpet?

[00:30:40] Jenica Parcell: Yeah, it would ruin it.

[00:30:42] Dr. Patrick Flynn: So I got a question for you. You called the professional, that deals with this situation. And during the course of that action, they've been there for about 15 minutes and what have they done your house so far?

[00:30:51] Jenica Parcell: They've destroyed, everything.

[00:30:54] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And you stand there grateful. Do you know why you stand there grateful? Because you've been taught that they're the best professional to handle the situation, and they have the right tools, the education, everything to actually do this. You see what I'm saying?

[00:31:04] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:31:04] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And that's why the dentist makes no sense, okay?

[00:31:07] Jenica Parcell: Right.

[00:31:07] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Now, I want you to picture this. I want you to picture that they did their wonderful job and there walking around and the firefighter's going hey girl, guess what? I did a wonderful job. Now, I want you to think about this. They think they've done a wonderful job and by the appropriate of what they are called to do, they did.

[00:31:21] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:31:21] Dr. Patrick Flynn: But can you live in that house that night?

[00:31:23] Jenica Parcell: No, you can't.

[00:31:24] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Is it toxic?

[00:31:24] Jenica Parcell: You have to rebuild it. Oh, absolutely.

[00:31:26] Dr. Patrick Flynn: That's right. Could it possibly killed you if you stayed overnight when it was half burnt up?

[00:31:29] Jenica Parcell: Yes.

[00:31:30] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Now here's the point. But what if the fire department looked at you and said, Hey girl, Hey, I, I'm great at what I did. I'm going to help you rebuild your house with an ax and a hose, what would you say?

[00:31:40] Jenica Parcell: I would say, that's not possible. It's not, it's still not livable.

[00:31:44] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Hm, so no, no, no, no. I can do it! I put out this fire and you'd be like, uh, dude, hit the road.

[00:31:52] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:31:52] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Okay? Now you did say this. You need to call now a different professional that has different tools, different skills, different viewpoint, a different perspective, and who would you call now to actually rebuild the house?

[00:32:03] Jenica Parcell: I would call a contractor.

[00:32:06] Dr. Patrick Flynn: That's right! Now, watch this. Let's say the firearm is still there and all of a sudden he's walking around going, Hey dude, no fire. I'm good. And the carpenter walks in, with a different perspective, actually looks at things and he walks in, even the fire department is still there, what is his thought process?

[00:32:22] Jenica Parcell: His thought process is we need to remove all of this and start again. Rebuild again.

[00:32:26] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Holy mackerel girl. This is bad. Heck I gotta rip out this wall. I gotta rip out this carpet. I gotta bring in all this raw material, help you rebuild your house. Now let me ask the question, both of them are standing there. Who's right?

[00:32:38] Jenica Parcell: Yeah, neither are, I mean, neither are wrong because they are just doing what they've been trained to do.

[00:32:44] Dr. Patrick Flynn: But their only professionalism and actually use is based on the need of the house.

[00:32:48] Jenica Parcell: Right.

[00:32:48] Dr. Patrick Flynn: If the carpenter shows up when it's on fire and says, Hey, guess what? I got hammer, nails plaster. You're like, dude, you're going to die. Cause you're gonna burn up in the house.

[00:32:56] Jenica Parcell: Right.

[00:32:56] Dr. Patrick Flynn: On the flip side, can the fire department rebuild your house with an ax and a hose?

[00:32:59] Jenica Parcell: No.

[00:33:00] Dr. Patrick Flynn: So let me ask you a question then. If you understand the example, you understand why I'm the best at what we do when it comes to this stuff and on top of that what doctor you need during certain times, including when it comes to fertility. Here we go.

[00:33:11] Jenica Parcell: Mmm, that's amazing.

[00:33:12] Dr. Patrick Flynn: So imagine let's take somebody, let's take your husband.

[00:33:15] Jenica Parcell: Okay.

[00:33:15] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Let's say he was here with me, okay? And all of a sudden he had a heart attack and stroke right in front of me. Would you want me to run down to my kitchen, grab a scalpel and see if I help him?

[00:33:25] Jenica Parcell: No, I would not.

[00:33:27] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Why not?

[00:33:28] Jenica Parcell: Because you don't have experience in helping people who are having a heart attack. You don't know what you're doing. You'd probably kill him.

[00:33:33] Dr. Patrick Flynn: So, I love that. See, because see, understanding the role of what I do, you understand that that's not my profession. So let's do this. So we're going to call 911. Would you agree with me on that?

[00:33:43] Jenica Parcell: Yes.

[00:33:43] Dr. Patrick Flynn: So let's call medicine the "fire department". Do you follow me on this?

[00:33:46] Jenica Parcell: Yes.

[00:33:47] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Okay. So they're going to get him then to the hospital because he has a "fire". Do you follow me? As quickly as they can, and they're going to use their axes and hoses, their drugs and surgery. Now they're gonna put that hose into his arm and they're going to start pumping that medication to his body. Let me ask you a question. Answer it as honestly possible.

[00:34:03] Jenica Parcell: Okay. [00:34:03] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And they start pumping that medication to his body, is it good for his body?

[00:34:07] Jenica Parcell: I mean, I don't think it's good for his body, but it will probably keep him alive to then heal later, right?

[00:34:13] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Here's what happens. You have to answer the question I ask.

[00:34:15] Jenica Parcell: Okay.

[00:34:15] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Is it good for his body? And if you get confused, is the water good for the walls when they spray on it?

[00:34:21] Jenica Parcell: No, it's not.

[00:34:22] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Is the water good for your pictures?

[00:34:24] Jenica Parcell: No.

[00:34:25] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Your floor? So every medication that's given to you, regardless if it can save your life, which do not confuse, saving your life being good for you. Here's what happens, actually, there was a risk. You follow me now?

[00:34:37] Jenica Parcell: Yes, absolutely.

[00:34:38] Dr. Patrick Flynn: I don't care if it's a synthetic hormone. I don't care if it's birth control. I don't care if it's something that saves your life. I don't care if it's an aspirin. Every medication has some form of damage, even tells you it does. Okay? Now I'm not saying don't take it, especially if it saves your life. But what I'm saying is this. Whenever there's a risk, there has to be informed consent and there has to be a choice. That relates to a lot of stuff today.

[00:34:57] Jenica Parcell: Right.

[00:34:57] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Okay? Now on the flip side, I want you to think about this. So now, let's say the drug doesn't work. The only tool they have left is neck surgery. Can your husband possibly die from that surgery?

[00:35:06] Jenica Parcell: Yes.

[00:35:07] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Can, but you can read into this one point that somebody has a fire, get my analogy is called medicine and the fire department, that they have a fire that drugs or surgery could be justified for certain reasons to make sure somebody's life is saved.

[00:35:17] Jenica Parcell: Yes.

[00:35:18] Dr. Patrick Flynn: But let me ask you a question. 'Cause I know how you think. I've watched enough of your podcasts now. I've seen your Instagram, but I'm gonna get you to shift on this because actually the funny part is this. You actually think differently than actually what you do.

[00:35:30] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:35:31] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Let me show you.

[00:35:31] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:35:32] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Okay? I want you to think about this.

[00:35:33] Jenica Parcell: Okay.

[00:35:33] Dr. Patrick Flynn: So let's say all of a sudden you're sitting around going and the docs going, hey, I did a good job with your husband. Now you care about your husband longterm. You care what his house is like 20 years down the road. You follow my analogy.

[00:35:43] Jenica Parcell: Yes.

[00:35:43] Dr. Patrick Flynn: So you say, doc, why did he have a heart attack and stroke? And what can we do to actually rebuild it, and make sure it doesn't happen again? You know what his response is? Do you know your husband almost died? Do you know how severe heart tax are? See, you asked a carpenter question and he's still talking fires. You follow me on that?

[00:36:01] Jenica Parcell: Yes.

[00:36:02] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And so he needs to be on a statin drug, this baby aspirin and cholesterol medication the rest of his life. So let me ask you a question. The chance of having a fire, if I water down the inside and outside your house everyday, could it be less?

[00:36:13] Jenica Parcell: Yes.

[00:36:14] Dr. Patrick Flynn: But what's kept inside your house?

[00:36:15] Jenica Parcell: It's destroyed.

[00:36:17] Dr. Patrick Flynn: That's why today we have more infertility, hormonal problems. We have more issues. Healthcare, obesity, diabetes, heart disease, ever than possible. Yeah, we have more issues in the medical system ever in history because what happens is this. We confuse saving a life or manipulating the body somewhat to get a result and actually trying to make safe, good houses is not what we're doing. So when it comes to PCOS or any pathology, any condition, any disease, that's medicine's world, and all they're doing is trying to put out fires and guess what happens, but they don't know how to build houses. And that's why I started a whole profession that builds houses. You get what I'm saying?

[00:36:51] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:36:51] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And gets people's bodies back to normal. And how can you judge a woman's hormones if you don't even have a blueprint of them?

[00:36:58] Jenica Parcell: Right? Ugh, it's scary! Oh my gosh this is so eye opening. I'm sure everyone listening it's just, their minds are blown because it's so good to know. 'Cause here's the thing. We're just doing the best we can, right? Like, I didn't know any of this before I talked with you that estrogen wasn't a singular hormone. So, we're just doing the best we can trusting people that like you said, have good intentions, but just aren't giving us the full picture.

[00:37:18] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:37:19] Jenica Parcell: 'Cause they don't know.

[00:37:20] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And that's the thing. And that's the part. So that's why, if you look at trying to make those hormones normal, if you look at trying to balance them out, trying to find out what disrupts them, we're the best. There's no drug or surgery that does that. Period.

[00:37:33] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:37:33] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Do you follow me on that?

[00:37:34] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:37:34] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And so you'll say, well, doc, how'd you become known for infertility all over the world? Because you know why? Because I'm not trying to manipulate hormones and things like that. That's a medical, that's a fire department type of issue that way. But doc, your wife's endometriosis number- watch this. If I were to step on your toe, did you know that your big toe controls your heart?

[00:37:54] Jenica Parcell: No, I didn't.

[00:37:55] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Well, if I step your big toe what happens to your heart rate?

[00:37:57] Jenica Parcell: It escalates.

[00:37:59] Dr. Patrick Flynn: It goes up. What happens to your blood pressure?

[00:38:01] Jenica Parcell: It goes up

[00:38:01] Dr. Patrick Flynn: What happens to your stress hormones.

[00:38:04] Jenica Parcell: It goes up, they go up.

[00:38:05] Dr. Patrick Flynn: What happens to your progesterone? It goes down. That's a whole other story.

[00:38:10] Jenica Parcell: It goes down, haha, I love it!

[00:38:11] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Here's the point. So should we run, give them a bunch of drugs to lower the blood pressure? Should we give him a bunch of natural things or should we get off the damn toe?

[00:38:19] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:38:19] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Now I'm giving you an example because I think the both medical and natural world has lost their mind. They're just trying to treat fires with different things and I'm going no, no, no, no, no, no. There's things that disrupt all those hormones. You see what I'm saying?

[00:38:31] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:38:31] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Heck birth control itself is called the endocrine disruptor and you wonder why one of the major side effects is infertility.

[00:38:36] Jenica Parcell: Ugh I know.

[00:38:37] Dr. Patrick Flynn: You can't [unclear text] and disrupt a hormone back to normal.

[00:38:40] Jenica Parcell: Right.

[00:38:40] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And see, but here's my biggest point, if I can get one point across, regardless of what pathway you choose, a fire department or carpenter viewpoint, anybody that tries to judge your hormones without testing them and having the complete picture to me is misleading women and actually doing an unjust thing to their physical and psychological health.

[00:38:58] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:38:59] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And I've never had one woman disagree with me, one scientist, and I gotta speak at a big medical conference coming up. I speak about medical, natural, naturopathic, chiropractic, medical things, medical schools, and no doctor, no scientists- that's why I get interviewed on a lot of medical stuff too-

[00:39:12] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:39:12] Dr. Patrick Flynn: -going listen, how can we do this to women? And actually, cause some of the things they do to women today, I'm sorry it's barbaric. They want to rip out uteruses and cut breast out, cause you know what happens to this? When I get off your toe, is your body genetically go back to normal? You're not genetically programmed for breast cancer. You can have all the BRCA genes you want. All that does is you get high 4-hydroxy and you have the breast cancer gene, it's a bad day, but you can have the BRCA gene, all you want, if your estrogen levels are normal, you'll be just fine. Just stop this whole thing about genetics.

[00:39:44] Jenica Parcell: You're so awesome. I love how abrupt and like straight to the point you are. Well, it's incredible because it's so good to have some direction. And for me, it's like, I've been doing the best I can, right? I got my twins through IVF. It's all that I knew. I will tell you that after I delivered them, so I had a really hard pregnancy. I got preeclampsia, I delivered them at 32 weeks. The Epstein BARR virus was like raging and it was just a disaster trying to get well again. Now I know, because I believe in God that I don't think that He created our bodies to be sick and I think that our bodies are like, you know, the most incredible masterpieces ever created. And also I believe that He put natural healing elements in the world. And with that base knowledge. I really just went back to the basics. I took all sorts of random natural supplements. I actually read the medical media and I don't know how you feel about that, but I read his part specifically on the Epstein-Barr virus. And I basically just have like raw fruits and vegetables for quite a while and some great supplements and I healed myself. And so I very much believe in it and going into this IVF cycle, frozen embryo transfer, that was my main concern was that I'm just going to get sick again. It's like do I have to choose between being sick and having a family? You know, it's crazy to me, so-

[00:41:03] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Well, you brought up a good point I wanted to cover two points really quickly on something you said. Number one, understand this guys. I am a huge fan. I actually have medical people that work in some of my clinics, okay? I want you to think of this, okay? I am a huge fan of medicine when it comes to life-saving processes. So remember, that's why I had to create the example of firefighter and carpenter, okay?

[00:41:21] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:41:21] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Because you do have something bad, man, it's good. We, we ranked second in the world when it comes to actually emergency care. We are 154th I think when it comes to health because you know why? Most people are not taught health. Watch this. If I put a pink ribbon right here, what are you trained to think right away?

[00:41:37] Jenica Parcell: Breast cancer.

[00:41:38] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Fire.

[00:41:39] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:41:40] Dr. Patrick Flynn: You get it? You're, you're taught fires, diseases, pathologies, because that's their world.

[00:41:44] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:41:44] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And I'm coming along and say, no, listen. I know what everyone of you women want. You all want to be healthy. You want your husbands to be healthy. You want your kids to be healthy. You want to be healthy, but how can you be healthy from the fire department procedures? There is no drug or surgery that makes you healthy. If it was, I'd take it and give it to my wife and kids and everything that way, but it doesn't exist.

[00:42:02] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:42:02] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And see, I'm stepping back and even saying this. I always tell people this, okay? When somebody tells me they take a bunch of supplements, I look at them say, okay, great. How do you know you need it? Because a lot of the time you're just making expensive urine. And I say, okay, let me ask you a question. What happens if you don't take them? Well, I can't poop. Then you're still sick. You see what I'm saying?

[00:42:20] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:42:20] Dr. Patrick Flynn: We just covered up with natural things and eventually the natural things will fail before medicine does it really will. Medicine can at least force your body to do something.

[00:42:27] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:42:28] Dr. Patrick Flynn: So that's why the whole natural realm, once again, I think is misled people too. I'm sitting there going, listen, I'm not saying there might not be a natural thing that you may not need, okay? For example, if I run a lab and go, oh my goodness, you're deficient in this pathway, and that comes from cruciferous vegetables or this comes from passion flower, or this comes from this, I'm going to give your body what it needs, because I'm a carpenter. I know what lumber, I know what nails, I know plaster I need, I know what room that needs to be built, all the stuff for that.

[00:42:50] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:42:50] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And so therefore it's very specific. So there's no generalities because you want to know something? I guarantee if there's let's say a thousand women watching right now. Do you understand there's not one of you guys that the same, even if you suffer from infertility. I've never seen two endometriosis cases the same. Ever. The labs are always different.

[00:43:06] Jenica Parcell: Really?!

[00:43:06] Dr. Patrick Flynn: But I know what to give them based on their labs and that's what I want to beat in your guys's head, is the fact that I was 24 years old. I'm 47 now, okay? I was 24 years old. Medicine has been around forever. Labs have been around forever and I'm sitting here going, man, you guys are taking an incomplete view on women's health, especially when it comes to their hormones. And therefore, what I'm going to do is I'm just going to test them. It doesn't mean the labs didn't exist. They did. It's just that they measure a blood of estrodial or esterone. I said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I would never want to try to put a puzzle together with three pieces and look at the front cover and go, yeah, I'm going to figure it out. It's just a lie. They're misleading women and stuff. And then to act like they're, you know, a specialist. I always tell people I have defined a specialist. You want to hear what it is?

[00:43:52] Jenica Parcell: I'd love to.

[00:43:53] Dr. Patrick Flynn: A specialist is a person that knows more and more about less and less.

[00:43:58] Jenica Parcell: Haha I like it.

[00:43:59] Dr. Patrick Flynn: See, they forget about everything. And I will tell you right now, we can get into hormone disruptors. I will tell you right now that the amount of disruption coming to women's body is dramatic and your doctors will never tell you not to do those things, even though it's throwing you off like crazy.

[00:44:13] Jenica Parcell: Right, like perfumes with phthalates, things like that.

[00:44:15] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Yup.

[00:44:15] Jenica Parcell: Is that kinda what you're talking about? Yeah. Oh my goodness.

[00:44:17] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Well, I will tell you this. I will start with a global picture on this.

[00:44:20] Jenica Parcell: Okay.

[00:44:20] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And then we can get down to the minutiae.

[00:44:22] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:44:23] Dr. Patrick Flynn: By far the number one thing that throws off all of women's hormones is mental stress.

[00:44:28] Jenica Parcell: Oh, okay.

[00:44:28] Dr. Patrick Flynn: I have proven that scientifically for so long. This is where I'm gonna upset some women about this and it's okay.

[00:44:34] Jenica Parcell: Ha ha, we love you.

[00:44:36] Dr. Patrick Flynn: God didn't create me to be liked, okay?

[00:44:38] Jenica Parcell: Well, I like you, that's all that matters.

[00:44:40] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Exactly. If you were to look at just the basic hormone pathway of how hormones are produced, all steroid hormones come from cholesterol.

[00:44:47] Jenica Parcell: Okay.

[00:44:47] Dr. Patrick Flynn: So that's why when people tell me cholesterol is bad, I'm like, really? What world are you living in? Because if a man's cholesterol is high or if a woman's cholesterol is high, the body is saying, listen, it knows what it's doing. It says, I need hormone. I need to repair. And therefore it just tells your body is under a state of stress.

[00:45:00] Jenica Parcell: Okay.

[00:45:00] Dr. Patrick Flynn: That's why, if you lower cholesterol, you have lower hormones. You have heart disease-

[00:45:03] Jenica Parcell: Oh.

[00:45:04] Dr. Patrick Flynn: -actually lower cholesterol causes heart disease.

[00:45:05] Jenica Parcell: So it's basically, so like high cholesterol is basically like a red flag saying, okay, something's wrong, that's not the cholesterol, it's something else, right?

[00:45:12] Dr. Patrick Flynn: No, actually here's what happens. The number one organ that uses cholesterol is your brain. That's why one of the major side effects of statin drugs is Alzheimer's and dementia.

[00:45:18] Jenica Parcell: Oh, wow.

[00:45:18] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Okay? Now, let's go back here. If you look at how the hormones are produced, if you look at what estrogen does progesterone, is the antagonist to it. It says, listen, your meant to develop these breasts and develop the uterus, but I got to slow that down too, put a little brakes on. So we got some estrogens, but progesterone really negates those effects. Now, here is something that blew my mind away, that actually made me a better husband and I employ what 250 women? And a big company that have people don't realize how big we are, because we're spread all over the world. But here's what I want you to think about this way, is I looked at how hormones were made and I saw progesterone and I saw estrogens and see hormones cascade down and they convert to other forms. And that's why you have to actually measure some of the blood and also the urine because they change and they're called metabolites, okay? And some of the metabolites can be very destructive and cause [unclear text] to grow and cancers and things like that, and if you can get those under control, you can reverse that process. But let's go over to progesterone. Progesterone is not an end-stage hormone. It converts to other hormones and progesterone converts into cortisol and cortisone. So anything inflammatory to a woman, anything mentally stressful to a woman, will deplete their progesterone. See, to a guy. testosterone is not connected to stress. So therefore, a guy under stress will actually increase his testosterone. A woman under stress will tank her progesterone and will make her very sick.

[00:46:35] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:46:35] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Now I want you to think about this. So my hormone connection seminar, I'm connecting all the dots for both men and women because they affect us both physically and mentally, very different. And then I'm speaking about this stuff and all of sudden there's a pastor in the crowd. He's like, you need to come speak at my church. You know, I'm speaking at some of the largest marriage conferences in the world, because I'm saying, this is how men are affected hormonally, both physically, mentally, this is how women are. We are Very different. We should love each other, because it's actually culturally hurting us.

[00:46:58] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:46:59] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Because they're tanking and no wonder infertility and all these healthcare problems are so high today because of the amount of mental stress. Now, is there more than mental stress? Absolutely. I said before.

[00:47:06] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:47:07] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Anything that is inflammatory. One of my major things that caused my wife to be sick, it was actually dairy. Now get this. How did I know? I tested her. Actually, she didn't realize she had a dairy allergy. Guess what? I grew up in north Wisconsin. She grew up in north Wisconsin. Guess what her family does for a living? They're dairy farmers.

[00:47:23] Jenica Parcell: Wow. Ironic.

[00:47:24] Dr. Patrick Flynn: But she was drinking raw, she was drinking raw, raw milk out of the thing. No pasteurize, no things, cool. But guess what happens? She was still inflammatory to it. Now is there more culprits? Yes, there are. There's chemicals that do it. There's a lot of things, but see here's my point. There's deficiencies that can lead to hormonal problems. They're stressors that can lead to it, from chemical, the physical, the mental, but being a carpenter doctor. It's my job to dig and rebuild. The medical field will look at an infertile woman and go, we're gonna give you synthetic hormones, we're gonna inject you with all this stuff. And you know what's really funny? I want you think about this. Got a question for you and I know you know the answer. Let's just take one of the most common medications given today. Levothyroxine.

[00:48:02] Jenica Parcell: Yes.

[00:48:02] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Okay?

[00:48:02] Jenica Parcell: Yup.

[00:48:03] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Let me ask you a question as a woman, being a mom of twins, okay? Is your physical and mental demands the same every day?

[00:48:10] Jenica Parcell: No.

[00:48:11] Dr. Patrick Flynn: So then how is it I can give you a certain amount of hormone for a thyroid and that's what you need every single day.

[00:48:16] Jenica Parcell: Hmm. That's a good point. I haven't thought about that.

[00:48:18] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Because sometimes you don't need as much and you're taking too much and sometimes you're not taking enough and you have too little, because there's no day that's the same to an individual. So I love how they have a pattern to give women hormone shots over the course of fertility process. I'm like, really? You're telling me that a woman's day is all the same based on your things that way. And I know how they came up with it based on standards, but the idea is this. You know, like you said, there's only one thing that knows the amount of hormones you need on a daily basis and that's your own body. Instead of actually giving the body what it needs, rebuilding it, and stuff like that, what did they do? They're trying to manipulate it all the time. And that's why, once again, that's why when they manipulate, you can divide and have two eggs and things like that. And I'm happy they have these things. Trust me, I'm not saying against it, but I'm trying to give you a such a grander perspective because-

[00:48:59] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:48:59] Dr. Patrick Flynn: -you know what's really funny? Even if you had a baby based on medical procedures, you're still sick on the inside.

[00:49:05] Jenica Parcell: Yeah, for everyone, kind of going back a little bit regarding like men versus women. This used to frustrate me a lot because I feel like the amount of effort it takes to manage my stress is so immense and it used to annoy me so much. And then finally I realized one day I'm like, well, I'm a woman. I'm always going to be a woman. Why not look at this to my advantage? And for me, I trust God. I know that he created my body exactly how it needed to be created. I know that my soul is having this experience in my body, in this world, and I'm refining the characteristics of my soul based on things that my body is teaching me, right? And so for those who are listening, who are like frustrated, and they may be like jealous of their husbands who handle stress better and who need to focus on that as much, I offer that perspective in that you will be better off because of the circumstances you've been given and the characteristics that you will be required to develop through living in a female body. So, just wanted to offer that.

[00:50:04] Dr. Patrick Flynn: I have two points I want to run with that, okay?

[00:50:06] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:50:07] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Number one, see, here's what happens. And this is why I called my seminar the hormone connection. If you look at what estrogen does to the brain, okay? If you look at what the estrogens do. Estrogen is a very connecting hormone, okay?

[00:50:18] Jenica Parcell: Okay.

[00:50:18] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And testosterone is a very go get it aggressive hormone. That's what keeps men very laser-focused. And women are connected to what? Everything.

[00:50:28] Jenica Parcell: Haha I was going to say, haha, how do I choose one thing?

[00:50:30] Dr. Patrick Flynn: It's not a joke. Then that's the point. And because your husband can go, stay laser focused, he comes home and he sees you're stressed out, he gives his greatest advice to you based on him speaking from his nature of having testosterone. He looks at you and says, well, honey, stop thinking about it. Now, to tell your wife to stop thinking about it, you're actually speaking against what her biology was made to do. Do you follow me on that?

[00:50:53] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:50:53] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And that's why a husband leaves and you text him an hour later, he hasn't answered you for three hours because, no joke, when he's under stress, he'll stay laser focused. And then when he can change his stress, he'll focus on different things. A woman can, can do four different things at once, stay connected to everything, and the sad part is this, it's because women don't understand that. They think something's wrong. Like, no, that's actually a beautiful thing. Love that. But also don't penalize your husband because of the way his biology is created.

[00:51:19] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:51:19] Dr. Patrick Flynn: You see what I'm saying?

[00:51:20] Jenica Parcell: Yeah, I love that.

[00:51:21] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And because once again, that's why when I speak about this stuff, it's like, no hormone person ever disagreed with what I just taught you. It's just that we don't understand that there's a psychological effect that's different per sex, because what testosterone are levels that we have. That's why I laugh. When you know, it's really funny, you know, it's hilarious. And you can't talk about hormones, and not talk about sex.

[00:51:39] I'm like ladies describe your ideal man. Oh, he's caring. He's loving. He's compassionate. You just described another woman. You know what I'm saying?

[00:51:47] Jenica Parcell: Yeah, it's so true.

[00:51:48] Dr. Patrick Flynn: If you want a friend get a friend.

[00:51:49] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:51:49] Dr. Patrick Flynn: You get what I'm saying?

[00:51:50] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:51:50] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And so, do you know how many women I sit across from for 20 years going, oh my husband, you know, especially in culture today, that I'm supposed to have sex all the time. Ladies, I'll tell you right now, if you're healthy, you will, maximum, have a sex drive two weeks out of the month. If you're healthy and you keep your stress down.

[00:52:05] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:52:05] Dr. Patrick Flynn: You don't man, it's a whole nother ball game. And remember I've dealt with thousands and thousands and thousands of women, my whole career sitting across from them and watching this stuff, mess them up, you know what I'm saying?

[00:52:17] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:52:18] Dr. Patrick Flynn: So, I say appreciate the way the physiology, the biochemistry. And I'll just say when God made a man and when God made a woman understand them, and guess what happens? Your marriage will be better. Your health will be better, and I want you to think about this. And I know this funny but it's true. And that's why I love when men understand this. That's why I love when men come my seminar, I got two big ones coming up, but I would say, ladies, let's talk about this when it comes to stress. Who stresses out more, men or women? Women obviously say women.

[00:52:42] Jenica Parcell: Yes.

[00:52:42] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And then I say who brings women the most stress? And they always say, men, okay? And everybody laughs. I'm like, yeah, there's some truth to that, you know what I'm saying? Because when they don't understand each other, a man can disconnect and actually stayed laser focused on one thing and if a woman's upset about something, she can stay upset all day long and it can make her physically sick.

[00:53:04] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:53:04] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And so this made me a better husband. This made me a better dad to four girls. This made me a great CEO and owner of a company that employs over 200 women. Now, my point of saying that is this is I'm teaching you guys a carpenter perspective, to actually understand that if you watch a young lady sexually abused, you watch some woman that's doing hormonal birth controls at a young age, you're setting all these young girls up for just PMs and other hormonal conditions that they're going to try and manipulate with drugs or surgery and leave them infertile, cancers, everything. You wonder why we have so much breast cancer. You really think we need awareness and more pink ribbons, or maybe we have to have a different perspective on breast cancer. Do you think that we need more medical procedures and more hormones injected into women, or maybe we should actually look at maybe not doing the things that led to all the disruptions in the first place?

[00:53:52] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:53:53] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Just a little perspective.

[00:53:54] Jenica Parcell: I love that. Okay, so for those listening who say, okay, this is amazing knowledge, what would be my first step in-

[00:54:01] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Get tested.

[00:54:01] Jenica Parcell: -Getting help? Okay, cool. So say they come through The Wellness Way. They get tested. So what would, that-

[00:54:06] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Well, let's stop you there.

[00:54:07] Jenica Parcell: Okay.

[00:54:07] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Let's stop you there because then I'll lead into what your next question is.

[00:54:09] Jenica Parcell: Okay.

[00:54:09] Dr. Patrick Flynn: You don't need The Wellness Way to get tested. You don't even need a doctor.

[00:54:11] Jenica Parcell: Okay.

[00:54:12] Dr. Patrick Flynn: You don't need me. You could actually go. Here's what happens. I will send you what blood work you need.

[00:54:16] Jenica Parcell: Okay.

[00:54:16] Dr. Patrick Flynn: I'll just send it and you can post it on your website. Actually just get women to get tested. Then you can go get a urine test. It's called the DUTCH test or Genova. Don't care which one you use. I like the DUTCH. They're a little bit more cost-effective and they're actually really accurate on all their stuff.

[00:54:28] Jenica Parcell: Okay.

[00:54:28] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And it's doing that test and the urine test together and you'll get your lab results back.

[00:54:33] Jenica Parcell: Okay.

[00:54:33] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Now, obviously that's my expertise is how to actually get that and no joke, no joke. Actually I have a big seminar coming up in April. I actually helped the lab companies figure out what to do from the carpenter standpoint, where they even write on their labs, things that people can do to make themselves better, and stuff. Now, granted, you need a little bit more than that because each person's different.

[00:54:50] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:54:51] Dr. Patrick Flynn: But the idea is this is that's been my influence on the not only the medical world, but actually the natural world going, Hey, listen, once you get tested and get those two labs done together, you have a complete view of the hormonal things and the pathways that could be affecting you both physically and psychologically. That's a beautiful thing.

[00:55:07] Jenica Parcell: Yeah. So we have the information now we need to take it to somebody who knows what they are talking about so they can tell us what to do, right? Because we don't yet.

[00:55:15] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And that's why I have offices all over the world.

[00:55:16] Jenica Parcell: Okay, cool. Amazing.

[00:55:18] Dr. Patrick Flynn: I'm mean this sincerely, I'm mean this sincerely. They will take them to the medical doctor, which I encourage. Every lab I do, I'm always like, bring it back to your doctor.

[00:55:25] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:55:25] Dr. Patrick Flynn: You know why I tell them to do that? I know it sounds funny. I say, bring it back to your doctor and ask him what to do. And you know what they say? They're honest with them when they bring them that they say I don't know what to with it.

[00:55:33] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:55:34] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Because their tools and their expertise, they don't know what to do with it.

[00:55:39] Jenica Parcell: Right.

[00:55:39] Dr. Patrick Flynn: You follow me on that?

[00:55:40] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:55:40] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And see, that's why people say, well, doc, why don't they measure all the hormones you're talking about? Because there's no thing they have to take care of them. They only test from a fire standpoint what they can treat.

[00:55:51] Jenica Parcell: Okay.

[00:55:52] Dr. Patrick Flynn: So that's why they would be out of their league. They would be out of their expertise. They'd be out of their know-how. That's why, I know it sounds funny. I created a whole other way 23 years ago, and of course, when no one believed me, when I was just a 24 year old punk from Green Bay, Wisconsin, I said, okay, I'm going to open up my clinic that way, swamped really quickly. Next thing you know, from Europe to Hawaii we have them and we actually get bigger every single month. But what that just came from I'm saddened. I'm extremely saddened that I have offices all over the United States. Do you know why?

[00:56:21] Jenica Parcell: Why?

[00:56:22] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Because nobody ever comes to us first.

[00:56:25] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:56:26] Dr. Patrick Flynn: They have to be really sick, really disappointed, really frustrated. And they're like, doc, you're my last hope. I'm like, no, no, no. Don't put your hope in me because the body, if you cut your finger, I don't know how to heal it. No doctor does. But what if I told you I could help you rebuild that and figure out what your body needed.

[00:56:41] Jenica Parcell: Mmm, that's amazing.

[00:56:43] Dr. Patrick Flynn: So

[00:56:44] Jenica Parcell: I love that. So, you have your results and then do you help give like a food protocol and then supplements as needed and then retest? Or how does, how does like the process typically look?

[00:56:54] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Yes. So that is very common with any doctor. What I mean by that is this. Is I always tell people I love testing, but I love retesting more.

[00:57:01] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:57:01] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Because once we actually figure out the plan for them, guess what happens is then we will retest in a certain amount of time based on how bad the labs are, and then we can see the progress. Like, all of a sudden they're like, oh doc, my periods got better. Cool. I don't care. I want to see your labs go back to normal. When you start to put those hormones back to normal, your body's genetically programmed to be normal. See this concept that your genetically programmed to be sick is not physiologically sound. If you actually have a condition, it's your body trying to survive the stressors you've done to it. If I step on your toe, and your blood pressure goes up, it's trying to survive that process and if all you do is manipulate your blood pressure or actually try to manipulate it naturally, you still have the stressor to your body and it's going to adapt. And if you leave it long enough, your heart's gonna adapt and it could be a disease.

[00:57:42] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:57:42] Dr. Patrick Flynn: That's why everything in this world is disease management and manage your blood sugars, manage your medication that way, and you still get sicker. So what you do is this. So we sit down with them and then there are, and here's what I'll tell you right now. You think I'm joking? I'll give you the most extreme advice I've ever had to give somebody. I'll give you some of the most simplest things. On the hormone tests, I saw a cortisol level that was ridiculous, okay? And her cortisone pattern was horrible too. So she had some inflammatory things. Found out there was an infection in there. We got rid of that. Found out some foods that were there and then her cortisol levels- she was actually abused. She was actually being physically beaten. And I can honestly tell you, I have a wife and four daughters. I won't even raise my voice to my wife to even stress her out. The fact that a guy would actually hit a woman, blew my mind away and you'd be surprised how much abuse happens. I was blown away about five years into practice.

[00:58:33] Jenica Parcell: Wow.

[00:58:34] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And as a doctor, I can't even legally if it's a child, I have to legally do it.

[00:58:37] If I even report abuse, I could actually get sued for privacy issues. It's ridiculous when it comes to adults.

[00:58:43] Jenica Parcell: Wow.

[00:58:43] Dr. Patrick Flynn: But I actually looked at a woman. I said, listen, I'm doing everything. I'm giving your body great stuff. You can't get your cortisol levels down. You got to divorce this guy. And she did. Not based on what I said. Here's what I realized about women. Women are very strong when you can bring the unknown to their attention. And when she realized that that was actually physically killing her, and I'm not talking him hitting her. I'm talking it was tearing up her insides towards even if you did everything right, it wasn't going to change. You brought that unknown to a woman. And all of a sudden the unknown is the scary part to a woman's life.

[00:59:22] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:59:22] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Bring that known to them. It calms them down.

[00:59:25] Jenica Parcell: Right.

[00:59:25] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And then it gives them direction. And the flip side, the easiest thing, no joke. Like my wife, avoid the dairy. That's not always easy because you could be eating organic, great dairy, cause I'm not a chemical person. I don't think anyone should ever be eating non-organic. Those are chemicals. Those are stressors in the body. Don't do it. It's poison.

[00:59:40] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[00:59:40] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And your body doesn't know moderation, that's just your emotional justification when I eat something wrong. So there's things that you can do. There's things you can take, you know, no joke. There's pathways and those hormones that you might not eat enough cruciferous vegetables. And people have heard well breast cancer, cruciferous. That's not true if you're sufficient in that pathway. You may have no problem with that pathway. That's why you got to actually test to see what everybody needs. So it's just a very different form of healthcare with a great clinical success.

[01:00:04] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[01:00:05] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And I think you and your listeners now have a better perspective of if you don't get tested, everything you're doing is actually a complete guess. And I just think that's not ethical to do to women.

[01:00:15] Jenica Parcell: Yeah, I agree. Okay. Last question is can you talk to me about what stress does to your body? Like if I'm in a high stress situation frequently, what does that actually doing to me?

[01:00:27] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Well, let's start with just the hormonal patterns.

[01:00:30] Jenica Parcell: Okay.

[01:00:30] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Gotta remember, the minute that you go into a fight or flight response. Now remember, the fight or flight response can be from a physical trauma. Let me say I step on your toe, okay? I want you to show you something. That's one reason why I love being a chiropractor. Cause what do we do? Remove physical stress.

[01:00:43] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[01:00:43] Dr. Patrick Flynn: That's why getting adjusted is relaxing. Second of all, there's chemical stresses. That's why you've ever noticed most chemicals are called endocrine disruptors.

[01:00:50] Jenica Parcell: Right.

[01:00:51] Dr. Patrick Flynn: I don't like allergies because obviously allergies are my world because that's what will make my brain sick as a kid. And as I started avoiding my allergies, guess what I started to think clearly, okay? It's called the gut brain connection. Everybody knows it now cause John Hopkins turned that thing about 20 years ago. But then what happens is this, is now when that mental stress comes in just understand. So you have any little stressors. Here's what happens to a woman compared to a guy. Remember, let's go back to this. Your body has to adapt to that stress because here's what happens. We both live in cold weather, okay?. If, if me and your husband were at your house and we put on a Speedo, okay? And we walked outside in the snow.

[01:01:26] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[01:01:26] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Okay? We walked outside in the snow. Was that a smart or dumb choice?

[01:01:31] Jenica Parcell: That was a dumb choice, I think.

[01:01:32] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Because let's see how our body has to adapt to some of our dumb choices and put our body under stress. All our blood is going to pool towards where?

[01:01:40] Jenica Parcell: Your heart?

[01:01:41] Dr. Patrick Flynn: That's right! Your core, because your vital organs. Now, if we stay out there long enough, our body will do everything it can to survive, so it'll take all the blood away from fingers, toes, and we could even lose them. Now was the body smart or stupid by doing that?

[01:01:52] Jenica Parcell: Smart.

[01:01:53] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Your body doesn't make mistakes. You do.

[01:01:56] Jenica Parcell: Ooh. That's a good quote right there. I like that.

[01:01:58] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Your body's genetically programmed for normal homeostasis. So if your hormones are not on homeostasis, it's cause you're doing something, okay? Now, if we, we jumped back in to the, to the warm weather, our genetics bring us back to homeostasis, which is normal temperature. A blood goes everywhere. But get this. To adapt to that stress, to get that cortisol, to have all of our physiology change, just like if I were to physically attack you and harm you, remember those are all stressors, that progesterone actually converts into cortisol or converts into cortisone, which depletes your progesterone. And what's the number one shot that you need once you get pregnant.

[01:02:36] Jenica Parcell: Progesterone.

[01:02:37] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Thank you. Because progesterone maintains the sex characteristics, including fertility. And instead of actually looking for all the stressors that drain a woman's progesterone, they inject you with synthetic stuff in you, or they manipulate that way, which can lead to problems. That's why if a woman just actually gets pregnant because of drugs, I'm cool with it. I'm cool with it. I really am. I'm cool that you had twins. But the idea's this. They never found out what drained all your progesterone, messed up your hormones in the first place. So now you're sitting there trying to have a baby again and going, what the hell?

[01:03:03] Jenica Parcell: Yeah, 100%.

[01:03:04] Dr. Patrick Flynn: That's why women under stress are depleting their hormones so badly. Then they're actually taking endocrine disruptors and then actually they have a lifestyle- for example, let me show you this. Here. Raise your hand if you've ever used Crest or Colgate toothpaste.

[01:03:20] Jenica Parcell: Guilty as charged.

[01:03:21] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Endocrine distruptor.

[01:03:23] Jenica Parcell: Okay. What's a good one? Just tell us. We'll switch.

[01:03:25] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Well, there's a lot of good ones. They're really is. Go to whole foods and get some organic non flouride based one. Flouride's an endocrine disruptor.

[01:03:32] Jenica Parcell: Okay.

[01:03:32] Dr. Patrick Flynn: But here's my point. Women are like doc, I eat a salad once a week. I have no idea why I'm unhealthy. Wait, let me say it. Let me ask you a question. Did you brush your teeth this morning? Yes. What did you use? Colgate. Okay, endocrine disruptor. What'd you have for breakfast? Uh, I had cereal. Good. Endocrine disruptor.

[01:03:46] Jenica Parcell: Yeah, if it's not organic, right? Oh and glutens- yeah, gluten's bad.

[01:03:49] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Gluten's bad, no matter what. You know what I'm saying? Especially for women.

[01:03:51] Jenica Parcell: Gluten and dairy, right?

[01:03:52] Dr. Patrick Flynn: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Dairy can be extremely healthy for you. Extremely healthy for you, okay? A whole other subject. Now, remember that is my degree in some of that.

[01:03:59] Jenica Parcell: Oh gosh I think we need to schedule another podcast interview too because this is very interesting.

[01:04:03] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Yeah. Because, because remember-

[01:04:04] Jenica Parcell: talk about like food specifically.

[01:04:06] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Because here's what happens.

[01:04:07] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[01:04:09] Dr. Patrick Flynn: You want to actually have a better chance for fertility, start eating organ meats. Anyways, whole other topic, okay?

[01:04:14] Jenica Parcell: Ugh. I don't know about that.

[01:04:16] Dr. Patrick Flynn: It's not vegetables that are going to get you pregnant. It's actually organ meats but anyways a whole other topic.

[01:04:19] Jenica Parcell: Okay, haha.

[01:04:20] Dr. Patrick Flynn: So think I'm joking? I will, I can prove it to you scientifically like crazy. Alright.

[01:04:24] Jenica Parcell: Okay.

[01:04:24] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Remember everything I just taught you, it makes so much sense because you're gonna look at book and go, damn. There it is. There's all the estrogens. Why don't we measure? And remember, I can prove all that to you.

[01:04:31] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[01:04:31] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Remember, it's my job. I'm a carpenter. I know how to build bodies. Okay.

[01:04:33] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[01:04:34] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And so if you think about this, it constantly puts it into a hormonal deficient draining process. And now when you go to, even if you time it out, right? And you drop the egg and even if the sperm hits the egg and guess what happens? Even if it goes to implant on, you're going to lack progesterone to maintain that uterine lining. And of course, you're going to miscarriage. I know this is very tough for me to say, because it's emotional. It's very emotional because remember you think I'm joking. Imagine that 24 years old, this beautiful woman is looking at you saying they can't have kids.

[01:05:01] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[01:05:01] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And stuff like that.

[01:05:02] Jenica Parcell: Yeah, it's a big deal.

[01:05:02] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And happens this. And as I was figuring all this stuff out and I saw her cycles get better, I can honestly tell you. I actually had to figure all this stuff out. No one taught me this. School did not teach me this. I figured this all my own. And of course, I'm able to teach doctors all over the world now of all kinds from medical to natural everything like But [unclear text]? I was watching her body homeostatically genetically go back to normal because and as I started to remove those stressors and then give her body to rebuild that way, because women are in a constant state of stress from what they're doing physically, mentally, and actually chemically. And what it does, it depletes everything. I want you to do me a favor. I want you to put a pebble in your shoe, which is a physical stress and walk around for the next six hours, and I want you to call me tonight.

[01:05:43] Jenica Parcell: Yeah, okay.

[01:05:43] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Get my point. What if that's a mental thought? What if you're eating something bad three times a day? What if you actually have a sliver in your finger? I know it sounds funny. But you gotta look at this. You gotta be the type of doctor that says let's keep that house good, and lets constantly rebuild it. Most of your hormones, once they're produced, convert in the liver. One of the most important things a woman can eat is liver.

[01:06:08] Jenica Parcell: Oh, wow, that's interesting.

[01:06:09] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Because if you want to regenerate your liver, you got to eat liver. People say doc, I can't eat liver. Well, then good, I'm gonna give you a capsulated liver.

[01:06:15] Jenica Parcell: Oh I could do that, I could do that.

[01:06:17] Dr. Patrick Flynn: You know one of the easiest ways to restore your hormones after birth is?

[01:06:19] Jenica Parcell: What?

[01:06:19] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Encapsulate your placenta.

[01:06:21] Jenica Parcell: Oh my gosh. My friend did that. She had had- [

01:06:23] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Fantastic.

[01:06:24] Jenica Parcell: Yes, she had had, postpartum depression for her three other children. She did that for her fourth and she said she felt totally fine.

[01:06:30] Dr. Patrick Flynn: I know! Because why? Your body actually has the hormone you only produce that way and your body will take its own hormone and use it. And that's why I sit there going, oh my goodness. It's so basic. This is so basic anatomy and physiology. It's crazy.

[01:06:41] Jenica Parcell: Oh, you're so awesome. I love it. Okay. This was the best interview ever, honestly. Would you come back another time? Because I would actually love to have a whole separate episode just on, kind of like themes-

[01:06:51] Dr. Patrick Flynn: How to build?

[01:06:51] Jenica Parcell: That-

[01:06:51] Dr. Patrick Flynn: How to build.

[01:06:52] Jenica Parcell: Yes! Yes, exactly how to build our bodies and that would be amazing. You're the best. Okay.

[01:06:56] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Ah, thank you.

[01:06:57] Jenica Parcell: So if people want to follow up with you and contact you and get your help, where is the best way to find you? Or your services?

[01:07:03] Dr. Patrick Flynn: I'm hoping I'm hoping when this podcast is out, maybe it'll change, but right now you can go to thewellnessway.com. I got a ton of videos up there. Right now I'm banned from YouTube and Facebook and stuff like that. Otherwise, I have a huge page on Facebook, but I can't post anything. I can't go live. I do a Saturday show every single Saturday, it's called A Different Perspective.

[01:07:19] Jenica Parcell: Okay.

[01:07:20] Dr. Patrick Flynn: That's at adp.thewellnessway.com. But if you go to thewellnessway.com, I put all the material up there. I got testimonials for females forever. I will tell you this though, I don't take new patients. Actually believe it or not, there's only five women I take care of currently right now. They are the five worst women for fertility I ever saw in my life. Um, multiple surgeries, um, scraping uterus, done everything that way. It's just that these five women I've known for such a long time, and it's really funny, you know, here's what I'm gonna tell you. Do you know, four of them I've never met in person.

[01:07:51] Jenica Parcell: Interesting.

[01:07:52] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And now they have, they have a bunch of babies because here's what happens. Do you understand that once you get labs on a woman, you can almost judge what their life is going to be like because those hormones dictate them both physically and mentally. And what if I told you, I don't need to see you, but if I look at a lab, a lab to me is like a picture of the direction of a woman's life going forward.

[01:08:10] Jenica Parcell: Wow. That's so eye-opening, especially because, I mean, I don't think that we're taught regularly about our hormones and how big of an impact they have on our quality of life.

[01:08:20] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Yep My Saturday show is the best. It really is because-

[01:08:23] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[01:08:23] Dr. Patrick Flynn: I will sometimes teach for two, three hours based on what we do, and it's usually about an hour and 15 minutes long or so

[01:08:28] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[01:08:28] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And I teach people all this stuff.

[01:08:29] Jenica Parcell: Okay.

[01:08:29] Dr. Patrick Flynn: So basically I have my on Facebook on my website, we reach millions of people per month, we really do and stuff.

[01:08:33] Jenica Parcell: Oh, awesome. Good job.

[01:08:35] Dr. Patrick Flynn: But the sad part is this and it increases every month. I'm sad about that though.

[01:08:39] Jenica Parcell: Yeah. Yeah.

[01:08:40] Dr. Patrick Flynn: I'm sad about that. Because you know why? Like I said before, I'm never a person's first resort. I'm always the last for hope.

[01:08:46] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[01:08:47] Dr. Patrick Flynn: So I'm hoping, I'm hoping that I said something today to you guys that actually just planted this seed, cause I always tell people I am mental herpes, okay? I have now infected your brain and you will wrestle with the things I said, because you've been taught different your whole life.

[01:09:01] Jenica Parcell: Yeah.

[01:09:01] Dr. Patrick Flynn: And that's what happens. I'm like the infection in your brain that will never go away because there's something that's going to click one day and guess what happens, you're gonna go, who is that crazy bald guy that's 47 years old talking about female hormones? Well, I'm hoping that I said something today that sticks in your head. [01:09:15] Jenica Parcell: Well, you did it with me. I'm a huge fan. And I'm so excited that we know this now because for me, it gives me so much hope, right? That gives me so many answers as to how I can live my highest quality of life. So I really appreciate your time. I know that you're so busy. So I appreciate you helping these women on my Fearless Infertility podcast.

[01:09:33] Dr. Patrick Flynn: Thank you for having me.

[01:09:33] Jenica Parcell: And thanks guys. I will see you next week here on Fearless Infertility. Bye.

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